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Post by darkones on Dec 29, 2014 1:48:47 GMT
Greetings brothers, i hope you are spending the holidays in cheer! I decided to get off my lazy ass and finish some mods that i had left in progress for more than a year now. I was just painting a Predalien miniature now, and found out that i hadn't even made a dial for the poor guy. I wanted to somehow utilize the alien drone minions from the Alien Queen box, and was wondering, how to incorporate that into a power for the Predalien. For anyone that watched the AVP 2 film (even though most people didn't like it) i would like to have a power for my Predalien to create Alien Drone minions. I was thinking to have the miniature's cost at the 140-170 points range and this is where i need the help. Do you people think that adding such a power would make the Predalien overpowered? Could it may be better to just create a Subplot that allows me to create a drone minion every time a Predalien or an Alien Queen kills a victim and remove it from their card? Any thoughts/advice are highly appreciated (Even a full dial to look at, if anyone had one made for their miniature  ) Thanks! |
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Post by Remrafian on Dec 29, 2014 8:47:12 GMT
At 140 points I would expect a heavy hitting beast! Well, if he's on a normal dial that is.
You could make this guy cheaper by just giving him a continuous minion power and PT, it would read the same as the zombie, werewolf, slasher and guardian ones and save you a lot of headache making some amazing new power. It would be something along the lines of; Whenever a friendly Alien(?) you control slays a victim, instead of placing the victim on the monster's card, you may choose instead to remove the victim from the map and place aa Alien Drone Minion token from outside the game in an empty space adjacent to the slayer. The minion is friendly to you.
(You still gain victory points for slaying the victim, though the monster does not become blooded.)
“If you have any friendly minions in play at the beginning of your turn, you get an extra action that turn which can be assigned only to a friendly minion.”
Does that help?
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Post by Remrafian on Dec 29, 2014 8:53:24 GMT
Creating a dial for him should be simple too. He was/is basically a beefed up Predator. So all that needs to be done is a little copying.
Take a predator figure copy his dial stats and make a few of his numbers a LITTLE higher. Be careful not to make them too high as the Predators are already nigh on impossible to kill in the game as it is. For powers, the world is your oyster, you have a full range in both AVP sets and I strongly recommend Acid Blood.
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Post by godzilla on Dec 29, 2014 18:49:45 GMT
I really like monster that have a minion/spawning power. I've also wonder how to make a good point-wise monster with that power. I feel a little cheated doing a plot twist because the plot twist can be used by anyone who means the requirements.
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Post by darkones on Dec 29, 2014 19:24:26 GMT
Thanks a lot for your suggestions brother Remrafian. This is how i was thinking of making the Subplot work. I was looking through my Horrorclix folder on my pc and found out that i had actually created a test version of the dial and card when i first thought of making the miniature. The card was intended to be flipped after you engage in combat to get the close combat powers (Trap, Reflexes, Acid Blood) on the second side of the card. I had added Spree as the damage power, to keep the "Expanding the Hive" power in check, preventing it from being overpowered. I was thinking of adding "Vivisect" which is a predator ability on the first side of the card to work with Frenzies in the game, then flipping the card and using spree and the close combat powers. How do these look? Do you think something should be changed/removed? Or should i scrap this version and think of something new?   |
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Post by darkones on Dec 29, 2014 19:39:20 GMT
I really like monster that have a minion/spawning power. I've also wonder how to make a good point-wise monster with that power. I feel a little cheated doing a plot twist because the plot twist can be used by anyone who means the requirements. I was thinking about the Subplot to create Alien Drone minions. Using monsters with the Alien keyword would allow other monsters that share this keyword (like Giant Amoeba) to use this card too. Maybe if i restricted the Subplot to be used with a Predalien and an Alien Queen, i can't think of any better solution to that. Since the Alien Drone minions have "Toughness", "Leap/Climb" etc and are therefore stronger than all the other default minions, that would also keep the Subplot balanced. |
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Post by godzilla on Dec 30, 2014 0:42:18 GMT
I like the card an stats now that I can see them
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Post by Remrafian on Dec 30, 2014 6:51:13 GMT
I don't want to be a kill joy, but that dial is too strong. There's too many powers and 11 attack with 18 defence is a little on the strong side also.
perhaps click one could be click 4, that way there's a chance you won't get such high stats.
I like the dial, it just needs dulling down a little.
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Post by darkones on Dec 30, 2014 8:28:44 GMT
Thanks for the input my friend. I hadn't actually tested the dial in game back then so i don't know how strong it is. I thought that at 140 points, without Invulnerable or Martial Artist, the high starting stats would make up for it, but maybe i didn't think of it right. What do you think of the special power that makes minions? Also. how more expensive should the [point cost get if i wanted to keep the dial. Don't worry about the killjoy, all feedback is appreciated and valued, i wouldn't want to have an unfair advantage in game  |
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Post by Remrafian on Dec 31, 2014 8:17:57 GMT
At 140 points he is costly and you would expect a killing machine for those numbers... that's what you have! You should probably test play the dial because he could be one of those pieces that no one wants to play against.
you could drastically reduce the cost by taking away a few colours from the dial.
I love the minion spawning idea and I look forward to seeing the finished product....Hell I might even make one for myself.
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Post by godzilla on Dec 31, 2014 14:27:10 GMT
I really like. I didn't have a dial for the Predalien I made and will properly use your final  |
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Post by Cthulhu-Boy on Jan 8, 2015 8:03:44 GMT
Gee great! Now I have to make a Predalien too! Great work! Brother R is right though, his dial is a bit too beastly!
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Post by darkones on Jan 9, 2015 0:51:32 GMT
Indeed, I originally thought that without big damage, "Pain", "Slash" or "Invulnerable" on his first clicks, he would struggle against all the other high costed miniatures with those powers and there are a lot of them, so i had raised his defense and attack a lot to make up for that.
i will have to revisit the dial, lower down the starting numbers perhaps.
Thank you all for the suggestions so far, i greatly appreciate it.
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Post by darkones on Jan 12, 2015 4:13:58 GMT
I toned down the dial a little , it now looks like this:  However in a game against the 125 Elder Predator, poor little Predalien got it's ass kicked by the dude who starts with 11 Attack, 18 Defense and Vivisect, even though i got some good dice rolls. Now i know that all the Predators from the collector's set are some of the most overpowered pieces in the game, but i mostly use my aliens in thematic battles and the Predators are too tough to beat with them. Kinda stuck in here on what to do with this dial, if i make it balanced against the Predators, it will be overpowered against most other pieces in the game, but otherwise it loses the flavor when it becomes the underdog in the thematic battles vs them  What do you think guys? |
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Post by Remrafian on Jan 12, 2015 4:31:22 GMT
Elder predator is supposed to be a badass! I would say that dial looks decent and that's the one I'll be using for mine.
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Post by darkones on Jan 12, 2015 4:55:54 GMT
Thanks for the words of approval brother Remrafian. I just now got a thought of how to make it good vs the predators without making it overpowered vs the rest of the Horrorclix world.
How about i give it a "Hunter (Predator)- This monster gets +2 to its attack value against the designated monster type." on the other side of the card for the four red slots on it's dial?
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Post by Remrafian on Jan 12, 2015 5:20:09 GMT
Good thinking. Make hunter against Predator archetype, that should make the blighters easier to hit.
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Post by darkones on Jan 12, 2015 9:10:25 GMT
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